Proving the belief in Allah

[AhmedBahgat]

Hello all

As many who read my discussion on FFI web sites with many of the goons in there, you should know that I always say: the belief can not be proved, because in such case it can't be belief any more, and this must be 100% logical, for example, if you are required to give witness at court regarding a getaway car used in a murder that you claim to have seen, in court you can�?????�????�???�??�?�¢??t say I believe it was a red car, you will be cornered quickly by the prosecutor or the defence (whoever is on the other side) and your witnessing will have no value if you kept saying you believe, however if you come and say the car was 100% red, then this may be highly considered by all.

I was not actually aware that a verse in the Quran says something similar, however I know the verse well, it just hit me while writing a comment to brother BMZ on Sahara web site (www.councilofexmuslims.com), that it says exactly the same

Let's have a look:

Are they waiting to see if the angels come to them, or thy Lord (Himself), or certain of the signs of thy Lord! The day when certain signs of thy Lord do come, no good will it do to a soul to believe then if it believed not before nor earned righteousness through its faith. Say: Wait, we too are waiting.
[The Quran ; 6:158]

هَلْ يَنظُرُونَ إِلاَّ أَن تَأْتِيهُمُ الْمَلآئِكَةُ أَوْ يَأْتِيَ رَبُّكَ أَوْ يَأْتِيَ بَعْضُ آيَاتِ رَبِّكَ يَوْمَ يَأْتِي بَعْضُ آيَاتِ رَبِّكَ لاَ يَنفَعُ نَفْسًا إِيمَانُهَا لَمْ تَكُنْ آمَنَتْ مِن قَبْلُ أَوْ كَسَبَتْ فِي إِيمَانِهَا خَيْرًا قُلِ انتَظِرُواْ إِنَّا مُنتَظِرُونَ (158)

-> The verse above is talking about those who don�?????�????�???�??�?�¢??t want to believe, so Allah is cornering them with a clear fact about His laws, Are they waiting to see if the angels come to them,, which means are the kafiroon waiting in defiance against belief until the angels of death come to them, Allah also may come to them too: or thy Lord (Himself), i.e. are the kafiroon waiting in defiance against belief until Allah comes Himself to take their souls back, or are they waiting until certain signs of the JD come: or certain of the signs of thy Lord! , i.e. are the Kafiroon waiting in defiance against belief until certain signs of the JD come, obviously we are talking about kafiroon who are still alive and witnessed those certain signs of the JD when they come, now Allah told us next something more regarding the those kafiroon who are alive and witnessed certain signs of the JD, of course Allah existence will be PROVEN on that day, therefore the kafiroon who kept asking to prove the existence of God will certainly believe on that day after witnessing the first signs of the JD, would their belief be accepted , NO BECAUSE IT CAN�?????�????�???�??�?�¢??T BE A BELIEF ANY MORE, the Game is Over: The day when certain signs of thy Lord do come, no good will it do to a soul to believe then if it believed not before nor earned righteousness through its faith , Subhan Allah, I just discovered something very impressive in this bit, the first part clearly says that on that day when the signs come (the proofs they asked for) no belief will be accepted if it wan not before witnessing those signs, but look what the last bit says: nor earned righteousness through its faith, i.e. even those who call themselves BELIEVERS without being righteous, will have the same fate as the kafiroon, i.e. for those believers to be righteous after witnessing the signs, will not be accepted either, how fair is that?

The verse finally ended with sort of mocking those idiots who keep asking for proofs regarding the exiistance of Allah while claiming to be WAITING for it to believe, many said so on FFI and other web sites, hahahaha, read this: Say: Wait, we too are waiting.

Awesome verse , I�?????�????�???�??�?�¢??m highly impressed indeed

Take care all

[AhmedBahgat]

Hello all

As many who read my discussion on FFI web sites with many of the goons in there, you should know that I always say: the belief can not be proved, because in such case it can't be belief any more, and this must be 100% logical, for example, if you are required to give witness at court regarding a getaway car used in a murder that you claim to have seen, in court you can�?????�????�???�??�?�¢??t say I believe it was a red car, you will be cornered quickly by the prosecutor or the defence (whoever is on the other side) and your witnessing will have no value if you kept saying you believe, however if you come and say the car was 100% red, then this may be highly considered by all.

I was not actually aware that a verse in the Quran says something similar, however I know the verse well, it just hit me while writing a comment to brother BMZ on Sahara web site (www.councilofexmuslims.com), that it says exactly the same

Let's have a look:

Are they waiting to see if the angels come to them, or thy Lord (Himself), or certain of the signs of thy Lord! The day when certain signs of thy Lord do come, no good will it do to a soul to believe then if it believed not before nor earned righteousness through its faith. Say: Wait, we too are waiting.
[The Quran ; 6:158]

هَلْ يَنظُرُونَ إِلاَّ أَن تَأْتِيهُمُ الْمَلآئِكَةُ أَوْ يَأْتِيَ رَبُّكَ أَوْ يَأْتِيَ بَعْضُ آيَاتِ رَبِّكَ يَوْمَ يَأْتِي بَعْضُ آيَاتِ رَبِّكَ لاَ يَنفَعُ نَفْسًا إِيمَانُهَا لَمْ تَكُنْ آمَنَتْ مِن قَبْلُ أَوْ كَسَبَتْ فِي إِيمَانِهَا خَيْرًا قُلِ انتَظِرُواْ إِنَّا مُنتَظِرُونَ (158)

-> The verse above is talking about those who don�?????�????�???�??�?�¢??t want to believe, so Allah is cornering them with a clear fact about His laws, Are they waiting to see if the angels come to them,, which means are the kafiroon waiting in defiance against belief until the angels of death come to them, Allah also may come to them too: or thy Lord (Himself), i.e. are the kafiroon waiting in defiance against belief until Allah comes Himself to take their souls back, or are they waiting until certain signs of the JD come: or certain of the signs of thy Lord! , i.e. are the Kafiroon waiting in defiance against belief until certain signs of the JD come, obviously we are talking about kafiroon who are still alive and witnessed those certain signs of the JD when they come, now Allah told us next something more regarding the those kafiroon who are alive and witnessed certain signs of the JD, of course Allah existence will be PROVEN on that day, therefore the kafiroon who kept asking to prove the existence of God will certainly believe on that day after witnessing the first signs of the JD, would their belief be accepted , NO BECAUSE IT CAN�?????�????�???�??�?�¢??T BE A BELIEF ANY MORE, the Game is Over: The day when certain signs of thy Lord do come, no good will it do to a soul to believe then if it believed not before nor earned righteousness through its faith , Subhan Allah, I just discovered something very impressive in this bit, the first part clearly says that on that day when the signs come (the proofs they asked for) no belief will be accepted if it wan not before witnessing those signs, but look what the last bit says: nor earned righteousness through its faith, i.e. even those who call themselves BELIEVERS without being righteous, will have the same fate as the kafiroon, i.e. for those believers to be righteous after witnessing the signs, will not be accepted either, how fair is that?

The verse finally ended with sort of mocking those idiots who keep asking for proofs regarding the exiistance of Allah while claiming to be WAITING for it to believe, many said so on FFI and other web sites, hahahaha, read this: Say: Wait, we too are waiting.

Awesome verse , I�?????�????�???�??�?�¢??m highly impressed indeed

Take care all

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# is really commendable the constancy with which u keep striving against the misguided peeps...alhamdulillah!

...hopefully, i will be learning more from u and others!

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